Matteo Demicheli: The situation in the Catholic Church is more than worrying: it is a Church that bows to “fashion,” which shapes itself, a Church which contradicts not only the Gospel, but even the Commandments. How could this have happened? Where does all this come from? Was Paul VI right when he said in 1972 that: “From some crack the smoke of Satan has entered the temple of God”? Was he referring to the Second Vatican Council?

Carlo Maria Viganò: The Catholic Church, as we know, is indefectible, because She is divinely assisted by the Holy Spirit. This does not mean, however, that She cannot be troubled by great crises, wounded in Her unity by schisms, struck in Her doctrine by heresies, disfigured by the moral corruption of Her Ministers. The promise of Our Lord – portæ inferi non prævalebunt – must therefore be understood not as a preservation of the Church from these crises, but in the sense that the gates of hell will not succeed in their intent, which is precisely that of destroying Her. But they will come very close. The apostasy spoken of in the Apocalypse, together with the messages of the Blessed Mother and the revelations of various Saints and mystics, warn us about this war without quarter between God and Satan, a war made up of many battles with alternating outcomes, but in which in the end the triumph of God is very certain and definitive. That triumph was ratified on the Cross by the Passion and Death of the Man-God, and with the historical fact of the Resurrection.

Since the Church is the Mystical Body of Christ, the passio Ecclesiæ is intrinsically linked to the Passio Christi, so that She too will have to face Her own Calvary, be mystically crucified, and be believed to be defeated by Her enemies. These enemies have managed to penetrate the Citadel, just as at the time of Christ, usurping legitimate authority to destroy Her from within by means of new Judases. Paul VI is known for his disturbing contradictions between some of his words and his behavior, such as when he denounced the smoke of Satan that he himself had knowingly allowed into the temple, endorsing the so-called “reforms” of Vatican II and giving free rein to those individuals who until Pius XII were rightly considered heretics or perverts but who were already at work under his Pontificate (just think of Annibale Bugnini or the Jesuit Cardinal Agostino Bea). The indulgence of Roncalli and Montini towards these people was part of a plan to occupy the Hierarchy: a full-fledged subversive action, before which Paul VI not only remained inert, but which he himself favored, simultaneously excluding many good Prelates whom he considered (rightly) as enemies of Modernism, of which he was a convinced supporter.

How did the Catholic Church – or rather: the members of the Hierarchy – reach the point of subverting the immutable Magisterium and openly teaching those doctrinal and moral errors that until then had been severely condemned? By having fostered that sense of inferiority of the Catholic Church – the Domina gentium – with respect to the world, lowering it to the level of false religions and idolatrous superstitions; by the moral corruption of individual ecclesiastics; by the loss of interior life and the state of Grace; by becoming habituated to a life in mortal sin and in continuous sacrilege. A priest who lives in contradiction to what he should believe and profess becomes a perfect prey for the Devil and is no longer able to teach what he himself does not practice. Hence, spiritual blindness and the inability to understand the perfection of Divine Revelation. Hence, the illusion of being able to please the world by watering down Faith and Morality, of being able to be heard and appreciated by adopting the world’s fashions. In doing so, the Hierarchy has progressively transformed the Church into a human entity, with human horizons, thereby condemning it to social irrelevance. On the other hand, why should the Lord bless and protect the men of an institution who have put Him aside — literally: just look at the abandonment of the Tabernacles in our churches — and who believe they can do without Him?

Matteo Demicheli: McCarrick’s associates, Cardinals Farrell, Cupich, McElroy, Wuerl, Gregory, Tobin, and many others, have been promoted to high positions in the Vatican and in the American Catholic Church which, coincidentally, walks arm in arm with the Democratic Party. The party that supports abortion, propagates gender ideology and, more generally, anything that is contrary to the teaching of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Coincidences?

Carlo Maria Viganò: McCarrick’s heirs constitute an ultra-progressive subversive network of authority present today in Rome and in the US Dioceses (and not only there). They are an expression of the deep church, of the corruption of its members, of its complicity in pursuing the same subversive plan with the globalist oligarchy of the New World Order. To revive the fortunes of the Church, it is therefore essential to denounce, prosecute, and remove those who have occupied the Hierarchy’s top positions in an attempt to demolish Her from within. Their behavior constitutes a crime of high treason, and as such must be punished.

Matteo Demicheli: How much did the Saint Gallen mafia, the US Deep State, and the blocking of the Vatican’s electronic payment systems play a role in the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI and the election of Bergoglio?

Carlo Maria Viganò: I couldn’t say, because what we know about the coup d’état that brought the usurper Bergoglio to the Throne of Peter is partial and fragmentary. A serious and impartial investigation is needed, which verifies the responsibilities of individuals and above all brings to light the existence, which is incontrovertible, of a single script under a single direction.

We must also consider that having a Pope who acts as the fifth column of the enemy is part of a project, brought to light in the nineteenth century, by the Italian Carboneria [secret society]: it is the “revolution in cape and tiara” called for by the instructions of the Alta Vendita. It has been taken up not only by the US deep state and more generally by the international globalist lobby, but also by the Chinese communist dictatorship, especially after its entry into the World Trade Organization in 2001 with the “liberal conversion” of Xi Jinping (educated at King’s College London and therefore close to the circles of Anglo-American Freemasonry). As I explained in my recent statement on the Sino-Vatican Secret Agreement, communist China is considered an indispensable ally of Davos globalism. After the sinicization of Western economies with unfair competition from Beijing, it was useful to have the Vatican on its side, in order to “sinicize” Catholicism as well. In this effort, Bergoglio, McCarrick, Parolin, Zuppi, the Jesuits and the potentates of the Catholic left – including the Community of Sant’Egidio – all played a decisive role that Benedict XVI had tried to counter. This is why Benedict had to be forced to resign – also through the blocking of the SWIFT interbank system – to make room for an emissary of the woke globalist agenda. It is clear that Bergoglio perfectly achieved what his masters expected of him, starting with the shameful betrayal of those Chinese Catholics who were faithful to the Apostolic See. His effigy, in the gallery of the Popes, deserves to be covered by a black cloth, as the Venetian Senate did for Doge Marin Faliero, the betrayer of the Serenissima, beheaded pro crimine proditionis in 1355 after having tried to establish a personal dictatorship in place of the elective monarchy.

Matteo Demicheli: Despite everything, up until Benedict XVI, the papacy tried to block the growing Masonic influence in the Vatican’s high spheres. With the advent of Bergoglio, were the doors opened?

Carlo Maria Viganò: With apologies, I must contradict you: Freemasonry had penetrated the Vatican’s highest spheres even before the Council. The election of Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli – who is said to have been initiated into the Masonic Lodges when he was Apostolic Delegate in Turkey – confirms that the power of secret sects was already present within the Church, especially during the last years of the pontificate of Pius XII. The audiences with the heads of the Jewish lodge of B’nai B’rith, the Masonic winks of Paul VI – “We too, we more than anyone, are cultivators of man,” he said in the Allocution of December 7, 1965 – and more generally the adoption of revolutionary principles in the documents of the Council, show us a Church under the direct influence of Freemasonry. The group goes from Cardinal Villot to Cardinal Casaroli, from Cardinal Silvestrini to Pietro Parolin. The latter has earned the public praise of the freemason Giuliano Di Bernardo, who hopes for his election. I would like to point out that all the exponents of the conciliar and synodal church enjoy the appreciation of the Lodges, which recognize them as promoters of Masonic ideals: this fact alone should be enough to understand their role as fifth columns of the enemy.

Matteo Demicheli: Bergoglio’s Church imposed the vaccine as an act of love, but a forced act of love is violence. It was the first to adopt the green pass, firing unvaccinated Swiss guards, thus inciting discrimination. It is written “Love your neighbor as yourself” – not depending on how many doses they have had – or am I remembering wrong? In 2020 the Bergoglian Church shut down all Masses just when people needed spiritual comfort the most, eliminated holy water, and opened the doors of churches to the police. Most priests did not give blessings or extreme unction to Covid patients, and even suspended having funerals. But isn’t it written: “I was sick and you visited me”?

Carlo Maria Viganò: Bergoglio’s action in the Church was the indispensable corollary of the WHO’s health coup, financed by Bill Gates and pharmaceutical companies. Its purpose was mass inoculation with a serum made with mRNA technology that would induce genetic modifications, destroy the immune system, cause serious pathologies including tumors and sterility, and in many cases be fatal. Today the dangerousness of the serums passed off as “miracle vaccines” is confirmed by the admissions of those who distributed and imposed them. Their moral unlawfulness was also due to the fact that fetal tissue was used not only to produce the antigen, but also to replicate them. The authorization for their use by the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith – which at the time I contested with extensive documentation – constitutes proof of the complicity of the Bergoglian church in the depopulation plan pursued by Agenda 2030.

But if, in order to dramatize the pandemic, the health authorities went so far as to impose masks and “social distancing” (completely useless), killing the elderly and the frail with deadly drugs (such as Propofol or Rivotril) and forced ventilation, it is not surprising that this superstitious obedience to anti-science has been propagated by usurping papal authority to deceive the faithful and induce them to harm themselves and their loved ones. Without the farce of closed churches, Communion administered with gloves, hand sanitizer bottles in the place of holy water, forbidden funerals, suspended Confessions, and so-called “online Masses,” the psychopandemic narrative would have had very little success. But the Bergoglian commercials for Pfizer were not disinterested: behind the apparent health zeal of the Argentine Jesuit there are million-dollar sponsorships, which make all this a huge conflict of interest. This makes Bergoglio guilty of a very serious crime, for which sooner or later a judgment will also come from the tribunal of History: the same judgment that awaits the collaborators of the health dictatorship in all Western nations.

Matteo Demicheli: Benedict XVI said that the first right of a human being is to be able to live with dignity in the land where he or she is born and that the right to immigration comes after. Bergoglio overturned this concept, making indiscriminate “welcoming” a sort of dogma. And in the same way he dogmatized green and woke ideology. He became a globalist pope who blesses the WEF: where is all this found in the Gospel, in the word of God?

Carlo Maria Viganò: Ethnic replacement through uncontrolled invasion of immigrants was first theorized by the Kalergi Plan, which takes its name from Count Richard Nikolaus of Coudenhove-Kalergi, one of the “founding fathers” of the European Union. Conciliar ecumenism was intended to provide the doctrinal basis for this social engineering operation, and so it happened. This is why Macron has pressured the College of Cardinals to prevent the election of Cardinal Sarah, notoriously opposed to globalist immigration policies. This is why Bergoglio has defaced Saint Peter’s Square with a hideous monument honoring the Islamic invasion by sea. They are all exponents of the same subversive organization.

An authentically Catholic Roman Pontiff is aware that his words and actions must be consistent with the entire tradition and teaching of the Catholic papacy and with Christ the Supreme Pontiff: eodem sensu eademque sententia, in the same sense and with the same words; or, as Saint Vincent of Lerins wrote, quod ubique, quod semper, quod ab omnibus creditum est: it is necessary that what we profess has been held as such everywhere, always and by everyone. This is why the popes – the Catholic popes, I mean – have always uses the plurale humilitatis, because through them the entire teaching Church speaks. This sacred vision of the authority of the Roman Pontiff guarantees that every pope, to be such, must first of all faithfully guard and transmit the Depositum Fidei: he must not take away or add anything to what Our Lord, the Head of the Church, has established

Whoever modifies, changes, adds, removes, rereads, reinterprets, and silences certainties and insinuates doubts, does not speak as Pope, nor as Vicar of Christ, but acts rather only in a personal capacity, and therefore his authority is not the authority of Christ. Bergoglio himself admitted this, with his famous saying, “Who am I to judge?” Bergoglio did not consider himself to be the Vicar of Christ, nor the Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, nor the Servant of the servants of God: he believed that the Papacy was his thing, and in this he was not very different from his other immediate predecessors, for whom novelties and changes became a habit, all in the name of the most casual personalism. But with Bergoglio we went much further: nothing of what constitutes even the external appearances of the Roman Papacy were spared, so that every external explanation of the munus petrinum was in reality a manifestation of overbearing egocentrism, a provocation, an ostentation of strength. Just look at the arrogant pride with which Bergoglio scandalized the simple faithful, starting from standing coram Sanctissimo and then throwing himself on all fours in front of African rulers or prisoners. He annoyedly prevented the faithful from kissing his ring, but he did not hesitate to bow and kiss the hands of the usurers Rockefeller and Rothschild, Henry Kissinger, and many super corrupt magnates, thus humiliating the Papacy and the Church. And always under the eye of the cameras and photographers, ever ready to immortalize “the humility of Pope Francis.” Our Lord washed the feet of the Apostles, not Caiaphas, Herod, or Pilate: to them he answered in monosyllables, and did not fail to remind them that they would not have had any power, if it had not been given to them by His Father.

If we understand that Bergoglio had his own idea of the “papacy,” totally alien to the Catholic Papacy, we also understand that it is entirely reasonable to hypothesize that he had a vitium consensus in accepting his elevation to the Throne; a defect of consent that made his acceptance completely invalid and null, because Bergoglio was convinced that the papacy was something he could use at his own pleasure to destroy the Catholic Church. As “Pope of the Synodal Church,” he felt authorized to preach the globalist Gospel, woke ideology, rainbow homosexuality, climate and pandemic fraud, unbridled immigrationism, situational morality, and so on. Considering himself an absolute monarch, that is, free from any bond with the authority of Christ, Bergoglio carried out the task assigned to him by his masters: to give body to a church of humanity – desired by Freemasonry – totally desacralized and horizontal, globalist, ecumenical and syncretistic, green, gender fluid and gay friendly. He usurped the authority and power of the Roman Papacy, enslaving it to the powerful of the New World Order. In this sense, he has been in all respects the Vicar of the Antichrist (1 John 4:3). Now his legacy is being taken up by figures such as Pietro Parolin and Matteo Zuppi, Tagle, Grech, Hollerich, the American cardinals of the McCarrick line, and many others, all emissaries of the same power lobby, all welcome in the Grand Lodges, Tel Aviv, and Beijing.

Matteo Demicheli: What Church awaits us going forward? Bergoglio has appointed the majority of Cardinal electors, while the traditionalist Cardinals who are ready to do battle can be counted on the palm of one hand. Do Cardinal Camerlengo Kevin Farrell and the Substitute of the Secretariat of State Edgard Peña Parra have enough power to influence the Conclave? Should we trust in the Holy Spirit?

Carlo Maria Viganò: Do you see any cardinals in the College of Cardinals who are authentically faithful to Tradition? I do not. At most, they are conservatives, but all of conciliar origin. Those who accept the errors of the Council and of the liturgical reform accept the ideological premises that led to Bergoglio, and cannot cure the conciliar cancer simply by occasionally donning a cappamagna, while continuing to recognize Bergoglio as Pope and the Novus Ordo as the ordinary form of the Roman Rite.

The Conclave is the mirror of the disastrous situation in which the entire Hierarchy finds itself: 108 Cardinals were created by a usurper who was never pope. They will try to perpetuate the Bergoglian usurpation with a “pope” who will take up the baton and complete the destructive action of Jorge Bergoglio: admission of women to Holy Orders, abolition of priestly celibacy, elimination of the Mass of all Ages, cancellation of the Catholic Tradition, legitimization of sodomy, obfuscation of the condemnation of abortion and euthanasia, legitimacy of genetic manipulation, democratization of the government of the Church, and the dehumanization of intellectual activities with the acceptance of so-called artificial intelligence. The fact that they are heretics, and many of them morally perverted, makes them completely alien to the authority they usurp. It is to be hoped that those few timidly conservative Cardinals will decide to “do battle.”

You ask me if we should trust in the Holy Spirit. It is useful to remember the words of Our Lord: Whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never have forgiveness, but will be guilty of an eternal sin (Mk 3:29). The Catechism teaches us that sins against the Holy Spirit include presuming salvation without merit, challenging the known truth, obstinacy in sin, and final impenitence. Now, it is not clear how the Holy Spirit can act on people who consider all religions equivalent, who reject the perennial and immutable Magisterium of the Church, who legitimize and encourage the worst vices, and who believe that there is nothing for which to ask forgiveness of God other than the failure to welcome migrants, the refusal of the vaccine, or CO2 emissions. The Lord does not violate our free will, and the Holy Spirit cannot inspire those who resist him. This does not mean that we should not pray for these souls, asking that they convert, repent, and do penance.

Matteo Demicheli: Many praise Bergoglio, but hasn’t he acted by promoting the corrupt and eliminating those who contradicted him, who hindered him, who persisted in following the Word of God? For Bergoglio, everyone is a brother, everyone is worthy of welcome, except those who follow the Gospel, who oppose his heresies, or who question the Second Vatican Council and its consequences for the Church and the Catholic faith.

Carlo Maria Viganò: Those who praise Bergoglio cannot call themselves Catholic, just as those who want to fight a fire cannot encourage and show appreciation for those who started and fueled it. But the revolution did not begin with Bergoglio. It began with John XXIII and the Council. For sixty years, heretical propaganda has been hammered out from all the pulpits, with irreverent and Protestantized rites, with criticisms of the Church’s past, and with the rehabilitation of heresiarchs and apostates. And for sixty years the very few dissenting voices have been persecuted, ostracized, and excommunicated for not wanting to trade the Catholic Magisterium for promotions and power. I have understood this fraud only recently, but I have had the coherence to draw the necessary consequences and denounce not only the moral corruption, but also and above all the doctrinal deviations that always accompany it. I would no longer be able to celebrate the reformed Mass, after having understood why it was intended to be against the Traditional Mass. If I have done it, why can’t and don’t my Brothers do likewise?

Matteo Demicheli: Manipulating, mystifying, deceiving, and making evil appear good is typical of the devil. From Pachamama to Fiducia Supplicans, from Fratelli Tutti to the Synod, from saying “Jesus was acting a bit silly that day” to saying that Mary Most Holy was “only human” and that perhaps at the Foot of the Cross she said, “Lies! I was deceived!” It’s all so clear. How is it possible that priests and the faithful were deceived by all this?

Carlo Maria Viganò: In considering obedience, we too often forget that there is not only the obligation on the part of the subject to obey the superior, and only in matters over which the superior has authority and without ever disobeying God; but there is also the duty of the superior to give legitimate orders aimed at the Good. He who abuses his authority by demanding uncritical obedience from his subjects for an illicit purpose – such as forcing the faithful to commit sins against the Faith or Morals, or in any case forcing them to disobey the Church and God – makes the authority he exercises illicitly hateful and in turn disobeys the One who has established him in authority.

Unfortunately, ignorance of the Catechism and the rudiments of the Catholic Religion was imposed precisely by those who knew well that an educated people would have known how to disobey and rebel against false shepherds and their false doctrines. And after sixty years we now see the results: the Catholic faithful and many priests believe that obedience to ecclesiastical authority is a duty without any limitation. But in this way tyranny was legitimized, and Bergoglio was a tyrant in his own right. The suspension of the excommunication of the Jesuit Rupnik, the promotion of notorious sodomites, the protection of pedophiles and sexual predators is only a manifestation of the absolutism worthy of a Babylonian satrap, as is the persecution of his adversaries against law and justice.

Matteo Demicheli: I have always maintained that the European project, that of the EU, is a satanic plan. Have I committed a sin?

Carlo Maria Viganò: You would commit a sin if you did not consider the synarchic project of the European Union and the globalist elite to be satanic. Let us not forget that the ideology that underlies the New World Order is essentially Luciferian and anti-Christian. Or, as Ursula von der Leyen euphemistically said, “of Talmudic inspiration”(here).

Matteo Demicheli: What should we do, we Catholics to whom God has granted the grace to understand the deception of the devil? Remain in the Catholic Church, continue to attend Mass and receive the Sacraments? Or should we distance ourselves to follow priests faithful to the word of God? Because there is everything out there, even those who gather “faithful” followers by proclaiming to be in direct contact with the Blessed Mother. The Devil is always lurking, the faithful are disoriented and risk being dispersed. You who are a good shepherd – how would you lead the flock?

Carlo Maria Viganò: We must not make the mistake of believing that a Catholic, in order to remain such, must distance himself from the Church: it is the subversives who occupy it who must be chased away, and not the faithful, who instead have every right to remain there. The pasture and the sheepfold cannot be changed: the mercenaries and false shepherds must be changed. The faithful, as sheep who recognize the voice of their Shepherd, must rather exercise that discernment that is indispensable in times of crisis: recognize good priests and support them, both materially and with prayer, because sooner or later the Master of the harvest will return and this absurd situation will end. What is certain is that we must begin not to give any help to those in the Church who support the errors of the sect that occupies it: neither offerings, nor donations, nor the “eight per thousand” [church tax]. And if in your parish the pastor is a heretic, you must not attend Mass or anything else.

It must also be kept in mind that, in a situation of crisis, it is physiological that niches of anarchy are created not only in the institution, but also on the opposite front. The Devil never stops sowing discord, nor corrupting even the best intentions by taking advantage of human pettiness and weaknesses. If we look at those who enjoy media visibility today – I don’t think it’s necessary to name names – we realize that the System has every interest in channeling opposition towards gatekeeper figures, effectively nullifying and frustrating any resistance. But true resistance – like that of Saint Athanasius, whose liturgical memory we celebrated last week – certainly exists, even if silent or little known. It is the pusillus grex, the small flock scattered throughout the world to whom the Lord addresses His words of consolation and hope: Do not be afraid: I have overcome the world (Jn 16:33).

+ Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop
former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States of America